<Romanist> hmm well ill throw out a question-do you all think you cooperate in your sanctification in a way that you dont cooperate in justification (not meaning you believe in synergy in justification of course-just that properly nuanced you would agree with statements that god does not justify us without our consent and such)?

<wonky> Ohh that is sweet DrO and I are using the same windowblinds theme

<johnMark> define cooperate?

<CalvinDude> Whoo-hoo! I have a screen shot of my desktop too now! http://www.peterpike.com/screenshot.jpg

<SpideyGeek> rofl!!!!

<SpideyGeek> It's... the BSoD (tm)!

<DrOakafk> LOL

<wonky> DrO and I must be linked deep in our psyches

<Romanist> respond to gods grace in your sanctification. for instance, within sanctification you can resist god's grace by sinning no?

<DrOakafk> wonky: Sort of like in Twins, huh?

* CalvinDude has gotten so many of the BSoD (tm)'s...and that's just today.

* JoelYrick is glad that he deleted that sound!

<wonky> I do look sorta like Arnold but aren't you being alittle hard on yourself

<DrOakafk> I'm going to go lift now. :-)

<DrOakafk> ()()() James is Away. Lord willing, he will return. :) ()()()

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<CalvinDude> Better not levitate...

<StJohnCalv> God Bless DrOakafk

* OS_Xtypes is ashamed to show his desktop.

<OS_Xtypes> It's cluttered with EVERYTHING.

<amylooz> DrOak... muah ! =) sleep well bro...

<SpideyGeek> Bye, Doc!

<pquick> Romanist: I'm sure we differentiate between justification and sanctification much more than the RCC does

<amylooz> So... I wonder why those Honda Elements are so inexpensive...

* JoelYrick notes that Wayne Grudem says that Sanctification is a cooperation unlike Justification- and I wasn't sure if I agreed

<JoelYrick> and he =P

<Romanist> of course pquick-thats why im asking your viewpoint

<Romanist> is wayne grudem reformed?

<Romanist> i havent heard of him sorry

<JoelYrick> yes Reformed Baptist

<pquick> Romanist: Wayne Grudem is a "quasi" reformed baptist -- he went to school at a reformed seminary, is a baptist, but leans towards charismaticism

<Romanist> okay

<Romanist> so you guys would disagree with his and my statement?

<JoelYrick> so because he leans towards charismaticism he's not fully reformed, or is there another reason?

<pquick> Romanist: he's the author of a fairly recent Protestant Systematic Theology

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<pquick> Joel: yeah, kinda. labels are tricky things

<DrEvil> Wayne Grudem is semi-reformed.

<DrEvil> He's quasi-reformed.

<DrEvil> He's the margarine of reformed.

<JoelYrick> I'm wanting to say that its no more of a cooperation than Justification, but I don't know

* JoelYrick slaps DrEvil around a bit with a Taco Bell hard shell taco

* CalvinDude uploads a pic of his REAL desktop....

<DrEvil> He's the diet coke of reformed - just one calorie, not reformed enough!

<StJohnCalv> JoelYrick, look at your pm.

<SpideyGeek> LOL, X

<pquick> Funny, X

<DrEvil> Y'know Joel, that's not something one dude should say to another dude..yeah..

<CalvinDude> DUDE...

<CalvinDude> D()()()()()D!

<SpideyGeek> DUUUUUUUUUUUDE!

<SpideyGeek> d00d!

<DrEvil> dŸd!

<SpideyGeek> lol]

<SpideyGeek> lol

<CalvinDude> This is sooooooooooo....sloooooo w.

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<pquick> Romanist: It doesn't seem like this channel really wants to debate a Roman Catholic on Justification / Sanctification right now. It's not that we are ignoring you...

<CalvinDude> OS_Xtypes--didn't you mean: þ+¾†Œ£€–’‰Ž

* JoelYrick would very much like to get into the issue

<pquick> Romanist: Have you listened to any of Dr. James Whites debates with Catholic apologists on these topics?

<JenOPCer> seems like it would be a lot of hairsplitting

<johnMark> Grudem is a 5-pointer who beleives in the gifts

<Romanist> thats cool pquick-btw im not looking to debate-im just wanting to get a firmer handle on the reformed perspective. yes i should go out and read some books and d/l some debates but i just thought id ask here

<pquick> cool, Romanist. do you consider yourself a Catholic apologist of sorts?

<Romanist> pquick-not at all

<JoelYrick> Romanist: <StJohnCalv> Santification is synergistic.

<OS_Xtypes> Stop instigating, Joel :p

<CalvinDude> Nonsense. By all means, instigate.

* OS_Xtypes slaps JoelYrick around a bit with a boston creme pie

<pquick> Sanctification is synergistic -- meaning we do cooperate with God

<pquick> right, Joel?

<JoelYrick> lol

<OS_Xtypes> Santification ?

<JoelYrick> I don't know, but I was able to pull it out of SJC in PM

<StJohnCalv> sorry for the mis spelling

<StJohnCalv> lol

<CalvinDude> Mmmmm....now I'm getting hungry.

<theist> who is Peter Pike?

<StJohnCalv> I am doing 6 things at once.

<cowpoet> Yes, me and Micah had a blast!

<CalvinDude> theist--wouldn't you like to know.

<johnMark> yeah, WHO is Peter Pike?

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<JoelYrick> Santification- the act of becoming Santa

<theist> CalvinDude: well...uhhhh....yeah

<pquick> get me some, CD crackers? ice cream?

<OS_Xtypes> Peter Pike - some lamer who runs a website or two and thinks he has a network.

<OS_Xtypes> :-)

<pquick> heee laughs with Joel

<CalvinDude> OS_Xtypes--yeah, that sounds about right.

<SpideyGeek> X - Kinda like Julie Staples, eh?

<pquick> whew, I admire ya, Spidey

<johnMark> Romanist, does the RCC teach that one who is a beleiver may not end up being santified?

<OS_Xtypes> Naw, JS is cool.

<CalvinDude> Peter Pike owns thecalvinist.com, debateatheism.org, and peterpike.com (and soon, another URL which isn't active yet)

<johnMark> Julie who?

<johnMark> oohh..Tims sister er something...yeah, her!

<SpideyGeek> X - Nah, she's a total lamer... is Tim Staples's niece or something

<OS_Xtypes> from thecalvinist.com's front page: Greetings! To dispel all notions to the contrary, a Calvinist believes God is a stuffed tiger and plays with a little boy...

<johnMark> LOL

<StJohnCalv> Sanctification is synergistic <--------There, I have redeemed my spelling error.

<johnMark> petercalvinist.com?